Thoughts & Quotes — Church Outside The Box

An open mic in church opens hearts, and allows the Holy Spirit to speak through anyone present.

If the outcome hasn’t been planned ahead of time, church has all the anticipation and excitement of a championship sporting event!

When we create an atmosphere where people are free to hear the Holy Spirit and to do what He tells them to, the Holy Spirit flows like an electric current, from person to person, releasing beautiful and amazing manifestations of His presence in our midst.

God speaks directly to individual people.
If you will listen closely to Him, He will teach you
With much more powerful and anointed words,
Than you can ever hear from a mere human.

“I’ve always been afraid of over structuring things because I’ve seen the spirit of organizations killed by rigidity.” –Myles Horton
It’ is so easy to over structure a church meeting and to unintentionally quench the Holy Spirit.

“One of the best ways of educating people is to give them an experience that embodies what you are trying to teach.” –Myles Horton
One of the best ways of helping people grow spiritually is to give them the experience of the Holy Spirit spontaneously flowing through them and using them in a participatory church meeting.

2 ways to look at church meetings:
I) Church can be a meeting lead and directed by a person, for God, or
II) Church can be a meeting with God, led and directed by the living, resurrected Jesus Christ.

“When church members do nothing but sit, listen, and take notes week after week for years on end, they tend to stagnate spiritually. Spiritual growth requires us to flex our spiritual muscles and apply the truths we are learning. What good is it for our people to learn that God wants them to use their spiritual gifts, exhort one another, bear each others’ burdens, and rejoice with those who rejoice if we make no provision for them to do that when the church meets?” –Brian Anderson

What if someone had access to every thought that you think? Well, Somebody does — the living God!

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Enticements or Ethics / Cravings or Conscience / Passions or Principles

We live in a society that is big on enticements to follow and obey our desires, but little on ethical living — big on obeying cravings but little on following our conscience — big on surrendering to self-destructive passions, but little on living by historic moral principles.

We are constantly being taught to define ourselves by our desires, rather than to control our desires and keep them within moral standards.  However, without self-imposed limits on our desires, we will self-destruct.

Conscience is a great tool.  Deep inside we each know what’s right and what’s wrong.  The question is:  Will we obey our conscience rather than our cravings?  Unfortunately, America and the Western world is saying “No” to that question.

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An Anglican & A Baptist Describe Participatory Church

Anglican priest, Robert Wild, describes participatory church:
“God can speak to each person through the others and guide the entire assembly toward a common mind, toward consensus.”

Baptist pastor, Ed Stetzer describes participatory church:
“In all of our research on churches, people in transformational churches were taught that they were responsible for the ministry of the church. This was a recurring theme that they perceived, rightfully so, that they were the owners of the ministry.
To do this, we must begin by declaring the two class system of ministry dead (clergy-laity) — we may even have to kill it. A new level of ownership must be given to the people of God, and the people of God must embrace what they are given. God’s desire is to have a church made up of every day Christians living like missionaries.
The clergy-laity caste system is killing churches and hindering the mission of God. Let’s kill it.”

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Church of the Nazarene Leader Proclaimed Participatory Church

Early leader of the Church of the Nazarene, P.F. Bresee, proclaimed participatory church:

“‘Pump handle’ religion has to give place to the ever-ready springing up and sending forth of testimony and praise. How often the ‘pump handle’ has to be used to work up a meeting. Not so when He (the Spirit) has come, but rather the hot, popcorn variety, that vies with each other to find a place to speak forth the wonderful blessings of His presence.”

–“Brethern, the people cry for deliverance from long sermons.”
–“You ask who is to preach the Word? Everyone on whom the Holy Ghost has fallen.”
–“I look to the Holy Ghost to be our teacher, for He only can really lead in the way.”
–“There will be 40,000 sermons preached today in the churches of America, but little will be accomplished unless there is such gazing into heaven that Pentecostal fires come down.”
–“Without the manifest presence of the Holy Ghost any church is a failure.”
–Sometimes it seems, even when we say in our creed that we believe in Him, we live, and preach, and lead men as though there were no Holy Ghost.”

A church meeting
Can be so much more
Than a solo performance
Before a passive audience.
It can be God’s symphony;
Actively performed
By everybody present;
Arranged and directed
By the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:26

Experience this at The Salvation Army Berry Street on Sunday mornings at 10:45 am. — 225 Berry Street, Nashville, 37207.

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Baptist Pastor Promotes Participatory Church

I “stumbled upon” a 1971 book by a Baptist pastor that describes a participatory style church service:

“One winter morning I stopped for worship at a small East Tennessee rural church . . . The singing stopped and he (the pastor) said: ‘Do you have anything you want to say to the church?‘ One man requested prayer for his wife, another told how the prayers of the church helped him find a job and a woman said: ‘I’ve had a problem which I could not discuss, but now I can thank God that the patience and prayers of my friends in this church helped me solve it.’ Another woman began weeping. She said: ‘I’ve done so wrong in my attitude toward some people in this church. I want their forgiveness and I want you all to help me have a right attitude.’ One rugged wheather-stained farmwife said: ‘I’m so happy I could shout’ — and she did shout. Festival was present in that circle. Mystery was also present. It was a true communion of the saints.”

The author, Albert McClellan, also wrote: “The church as community should have the listening mind of Christ. Its worship should be free and offer easy conversation and dialogue. Services should be structured to give people opportunity to share their problems and their concerns.“

Experience participatory church for yourself at The Salvation Army Berry Street, 225 Berry St., Nashville, Tennessee, 37207 on Sunday mornings at 10:45 am.

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What’s streaming in your heart? Raw desire? Or Spiritual Fire?

What’s streaming in your heart?

Raw desire?  Or Spiritual Fire?

Lust and disgust?  Or love from above?

Thoughts that annoy?  Or real time joy?

Spiritual blindness?  Or lovingkindness?

What do you find flowing through your mind?

So, what’s innernet streaming in your heart?
1) Negativity, anger, worry, fear, disrespect, lust, violence, frustration?
Or 2) Hope, encouragement, love, peace, kindness, faith, goodness, joy?
What do you find flowing in your mind?
I find that #1 naturally streams in my heart and I have to work very hard at self-control to resist #1 and minimize it, because my heart easily turns to and embraces self-destructive thoughts and images.
I also find that for #2 to stream in me, I have to continually focus and refocus my heart on the good, or it will automatically turn to the bad.
The ancient prophet, Jeremiah, put it this way: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

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Benjamin Franklin & Sermon Free Church

I think Benjamin Franklin would have loved sermon-free church because it gets people actively involved and transforms them from passive pew-sitters to spiritual go-getters!

Ben said: “I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works. I mean real good works; not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing, or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments”

Tell-me-and-I-forget-teach-me-and-I-may-remember-involve-me-and-I-learnExperience sermon-free church for yourself in Nashville, Tennessee at The Salvation Army Berry Street Worship Center, 225 Berry Street on Sunday mornings at 10:45.

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Life Is Either . . . Or . . .

Life is a either a spiritual fight . . .
To walk in the light;
To overcome the night;
To avoid spite;
To think and do what’s right;
To remove evil’s blight;
To seek supernatural insight;
To find God’s delight.
— Or life is meaningless and trite . . .
An empty and futile plight.

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Priesthood of the Believer Church (Church Meetings Without A Dominating Leader)

Can churches meet without one person dominating the meeting?  History says they can!

When the Protestant Reformation broke with the Roman Catholic Church, one of the doctrines they embraced become known as “the priesthood of the believer.”  The Reformers acknowledged the New Testament teaching that Christ-followers are a “holy priesthood” and a “kingdom of priests” (that believers can directly approach and relate to God without a human priest) and the New Testament “one anothers” (commands for believers to serve, love, confess to, pray for, help, and otherwise minister to one another and to the world.

Unfortunately, as Peter Wagner points out, although “the priesthood of the believer” was accepted as doctrine, it was rarely put into practice in Protestant churches:  “Martin Luther permanently changed Christendom when he rediscovered the priesthood of all believers. Still, Lutheranism retained much of the clericalism of the Roman Catholic Church.”  Protestants continued to divide Christians into two groups, using the nonbiblical words:  “clergy” and “laity.”  The idea of “the priesthood of the believer” remained primarily an idea on paper.

However, that has been changing.  Quaker Meeting, the early Methodist “class meetings,” and the Layman’s Prayer Revival of 1857 all demonstrated that Christians could successfully meet without one man dominating and controlling everything.

Since 1948 when the Chinese Communists imprisoned most of the pastors in China, the church there has learned to function by ministering to one another.  During the Jesus Movement of the 1960s and 70s in the USA, Ray Stedman began a Sunday night meeting where church members ministered to one another, and then wrote the book Body Life about it.   In the past few years, more and more believers in the USA and around the world are meeting in small groups that allow the members to minister to one another (this has been called the organic church movement).

One example of that is The Salvation Army Berry Street in Nashville, Tennessee.  Begun in March 2008, it has sermon-free Sunday morning meetings where everyday people, as led by the Spirit, show and tell what God has done.  Check it out on Sundays at 10:45, 225 Berry St., 37207.

“The priesthood of the believer” really works!  All we have to do is allow the people of God the freedom to function in church meetings.

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The Pope & The General

Quotations from Pope Francis of the Catholic Church and General Linda Bond of The Salvation Army:

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First General Bond:
“A Spirit-filled Army tells the gospel story faithfully and trustingly, believing that there is power in the name of Jesus, power in this life-giving message, the power that the Holy Spirit exerts to bring about transformation.” “The Army was raised up by God to connect people to Jesus . . . This world needs to see that the people of God make holiness believable. It needs to see authentic, deep Christians who live out the life of Jesus and do not just talk about it.”


Then Pope Francis:
“There are backseat Christians, right? Those who are well mannered and do everything well, but they don’t know how to bring others to the Church through proclamation and Apostolic zeal. Today we can ask the Holy Spirit to give us all this Apostolic fervor and to give us the grace to be annoying when things are too calm in the Church. The grace to go out to the outskirts of life. The Church needs this! Not only in distant lands, young parishes or among people who do not know Jesus, but here in the cities. Our cities need this proclamation of Jesus Christ. So let us ask the Holy Spirit for the grace of Apostolic zeal. Let’s be Christians with Apostolic zeal. And if we annoy people, Blessed be the Lord! Onwards, as the Lord says to St. Paul: show courage!”

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